Saturday, December 09, 2006

a man of one book

I love this John Wesley quote (from the preface to his Standard Sermons):
I am a spirit come from God, and returning to God: Just hovering over the great gulf; till, a few moments hence, I am no more seen; I drop into an unchangeable eternity! I want to know one thing, -- the way to heaven; how to land safe on that happy shore. God himself has condescended to teach the way: For this very end he came from heaven. He hath written it down in a book. O give me that book! At any price, give me the book of God! I have it: Here is knowledge enough for me. Let me be _homo unius libri_. [A man of one book.]


Keith Taylor said...


This has always been one of my favorite Wesley quotes.

Anonymous said...

In Wesley's Journal, volume 6. page 117. he writes. '~Nay. if there be any mistakes in the Bible there may as well be a thousand. If there be one falsehood in that book it did not come from the God of truth.'

I like this Wesley quote as well.

John Flores
Frisco, Texas

Jason Woolever said...

wow, nice pull, John! I guess Wesley believed in inerrancy after all! I've not seen that quote before. Thanks for sharing.

Anonymous said...


I found this on the website describing the Evangelical Methodist Church along with an exposition of the 25 Articles of Religion per their churches doctinal standards.


Evangelical Methodist Church

The belong to the American Council of Christian Churches as a response to the National Association of Evangelicals.

American Council of Christian Churches

They don't pull any punches. They believe in biblical separation. (See section on Resolutions on the demonination's web site)

I am praying for discernment for the degree of biblical separation I need to practice.

May the Lord continue to bless you,

John Flores
Frisco, Texas

Jason Woolever said...

the issue of biblical separation is a tricky one to be sure. i have a hard time telling whether certain activities call for separation. the bible seems to be clear. its just such a painful option that we try to find ways around it. i don't know what we ought to do.

JD said...

Jason and John,

Biblical Separation is an extremely tough issue as we continue to discuss unity, not only in the Methodist Church, but also in the Christian Church as a whole. I am all about ecumenism and I look at it from the perspective of the early councils that strove to understand that Christians had to have a basic belief system that defined them as Christian. These church tenets, passed down over the years, have only recently come under fire from the humanistic, pluralistic, and inclusivisitc (is that a word? it is now) groups with in the Christian church that profess the ability to deny the virgin birth, resurrection, of Christ, and other tenets of the faith in a way that make them "feel comfortable" in today's society, help them feel like they are not offending people, or hurting anyone's feelings. All are called; few will follow.

I read the evangelical Methodist website and resolutions. I mean to tell you, give up Christian music….dude, that is harsh. I understand that there are some entertainers that do not live as Christ called them to and they live as “hypocrites for Christ.” Heck, I have been pretty hypocritical myself, but I understand forgiveness lets me get myself right again and focus on the truth of God’s word for me in my life.

I thank God for you guys.

Jason, for standing up for the gospel of truth, through ridicule and personal attacks.

John, for your challenging insight and ability to find the most obscure references regarding Christianity known to man.

I know this sounds like a good-bye speech, but it is not. I pray and hope that somehow, the Lord will continue to use us for His greater good, whether here on the web, or in our own communities, families, and churches.


Anonymous said...

Jason and JD,

Thank you for your continued discussion and witness. I value your insight and friendship.


I have a bunch of Rebecca Saint James CDs in my car. That wouldn't go over well in a fundamental Baptist or the Evangelical Methodist Church.

I am struggling with coming out of legalism and maintaining holiness.

For your consideration,

The Holiness Movement:Dead or Alive?

"However, what I have to say today is not a collection of bright and cheery thoughts. It is this: We need to admit to each other that the holiness movement is dead. We have never had a funeral. And we still have the body upstairs in bed. In fact, we still keep it dressed up and still even talk about the movement as if it were alive. But the holiness movement—as a movement—is dead. Yes, I recognize that there are many wonderful holiness people around. And people are still getting entirely sanctified here and there. But as a movement, I think we need to admit we are dead. The sooner we admit it, the better off we’ll be."

After reading criticisms of decision theology and "easy believism" (Is 'believism' a word?) and "cheap grace" -- I have dedicated a portion of study to holiness theology and practice.

There is nothing new in the CRI article, but to see it in print is a wake up call.

Let me know what you guys think,

John Flores
Frisco, Texas

Jason Woolever said...

Its hard to say what makes up a movement. I think we could say that "the Methodist movement" is dead. A movement is very different from a denomination. Both have pros and cons.

I think it could be dead in one sense. That doesn't mean that the fruits of the "movement" are dead.