Friday, March 23, 2007

maybe the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence

Sometimes I get terribly frustrated with the United Methodist denomination. Steve McCoy is a young Souther Baptist pastor in Woodstock, Illinois, who happens to be from Pontiac (where I serve). He has recently started a series of blog posts called "Reasons Why I Hate Us". Grass may or may not be greener on the other side of the fence.

13 comments:

JD said...

Jason,

Thanks for that. It, unfortunately, is good to know that all denominations are going though these orthodoxy battles.

I am sure that you have read the posts at Methoblog and Locusts and Honey. We are debating the truth of the Virgin Birth and Resurrection....AGAIN. The fact that we are actually debating the reality of these events is a huge blow to my stomach. The fact that the majority of the people posting comments that these events are just literary tools to explain a point are either pastors or associate pastors at UMC congregations is the uppercut that knocked me down.

I am sure that if you wanted to start a series of posts about "Why I Hate Us" you could get a good amount of fodder from this discussion alone.

PAX
JD

Brett said...

I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church, and just about everything that was said on the other blog is true, and I can see it happening. My wife and I started attending the Methodist Church shortly after we were married. It was mostly becuase we grew up in different churches, and we wanted to attend a church that was "ours" if that makes sense.
The SBC is defintely conservative, and everyone knows it. But those common beliefs unite them in a way that I don't think the Methodist Church can understand because of it's wide range of beliefs.

Jason Woolever said...

brett, you mean they united them in a good way that we can't understand? say more

Jason Woolever said...

jd, i am done fighting about that stuff with the methoblog guys. i don't even read it anymore.

JD said...

I am about down that path too. I really understand where you were coming from now with your decision. It really is a shame.

I want to finish my posts I started about "What would Jesus do?", but then I will focus on experiences, readings, etc, like you. I know John is always up for a good debate, but I would think that it gets old fast. Sometimes, well, all the time, I think this is one of the main ways that Satan is tearing the church apart. People believing that the truth changes with time and social and cultural differences are just fooling themselves.

Thanks again for defending Orthodoxy. This is another reason that I respect the Catholic church. There are doctrines of faith and no matter how much pressure comes from the outside...they do not change.

PAX
JD

Jason Woolever said...

yo!

Brett said...

yes, in a good way. They hold probably every belief that is outlined in the Confessing Movement you just wrote about. However, they don't have the internal opposition to such statements. Imagine being able to make statements like what are in the Confessing Movement and not have to constantly be defending them to other people in the UMC. These are core issues to the gospel that are being debated in the UMC today.
That being said, there is a point where things can go unchallenged and you have the other extreme of legalism. I don't think the SBC is to that point, but one could make the case, I suppose.

Bluebird said...

jd, as someone who was raised in the Catholic Church, I can tell you that Catholic unwillingness to change has a downside. The Catholic Church is not only resistant to pressures from the outside, but also from the inside. The consequence is that even when the Bishops and Pope are clearly wrong, as in the Priest scandal, nothing changes until they want it to.

Bluebird said...

jd, just one more thing. I've kicked around a lot of churches, and I can tell you that plenty of people have doubts on these issues, even in the Southern Baptist and Roman Catholic Churches. The difference is, Methodist clergy can air their doubts without jeopardizing their careers. I think that's a good thing.

JD said...

Bluebird,

I was raised Catholic as well. Went to Catholic school from kindergarten until I graduated college. I did not agree with the scandal either, but from a doctrinal standpoint, I admire the Catholic Church. Stances on abortion, premarital sex, adultery, birth control, the death penalty, war, etc. They do not waver.

I do also appreciate the fact that Methodists pastors can share and not have their jobs be in danger, but sharing thoughts in ways that completely distort the truth of Scripture, is heresy at minimum and needs to truly be addressed.

Thanks for your input.

PAX
JD

Jason Woolever said...

"sharing thoughts in ways that completely distort the truth of Scripture, is heresy at minimum and needs to truly be addressed"
- JD, I think this is a clear and accurate depiction of the problem we get ourselves into.

JD said...

Jason,

Thanks. Sorry the frustration carried over to your place. I need to be more like John, able to have these type of discussions without getting emotional. :)

PAX
JD

Jason Woolever said...

good to have you venting here, JD. trust me, I feel your pain and frustration.